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Will New Berlin dispatch or be dispatched?

City considers value of joint communications with county

Jan. 16, 2012 | 46 comments

New Berlin - In search of potential savings, both in terms of operational and capital costs, the city has hired a consultant to look into whether New Berlin might be better off if the Waukesha Communications Center answer fire and police calls.

If the city joins WCC, Waukesha County dispatchers would send New Berlin police and firefighters where they need to be instead of emergency dispatchers at the New Berlin Police Station.

The consultant, Springsted Inc. of Milwaukee, will present its findings in late March or early April.

Studying costs vs. service

The city has 12 dispatchers on the payroll, and its communications equipment needs to be replaced, said Police Chief Joe Rieder. The equipment alone goes for $250,000 to $500,000, and even more, he said. Also, the dispatch center itself is worn and needs retuning probably to the tune of $75,000 or $100,000.

Those numbers factor into the city's decision to study an alternative, Rieder said.

But Springsted was also asked to go beyond numbers to evaluate response times and feedback from police and fire departments that already use WCC as well as citizen satisfaction. There are advantages to having local dispatch but there are disadvantages, too, Rieder said, and the consultant is to look into all of that.

Seven years ago when WCC was built, service was the huge issue, Rieder said, with many insisting that local dispatch is much better. But now WCC has seven years of dat,a and a decision can be made with facts, he added.

Once the research is in, the Police and Fire Commission, which asked for the study, will invite the public to weigh in.

Factual, emotional resistance

"This is a huge issue and a very emotional issue," he acknowledged.

People view dispatchers as their lifelines - when they call for help, it's a dispatcher who will be on the line, Rieder said.

One of those who will not be shy about commenting on the issue is Jeanne Bartol, who some time ago spearheaded a massive fundraising campaign to get a defibrillator into every New Berlin police squad car.

To be effective, defibrillators must be used within moments of someone having a heart attack. They are fine with New Berlin's response time of one to three minutes, but if times get much longer, she said, "We're going to lose lives."

What Bartol said she will be asking is what means the most: saving lives or saving money.

She acknowledged that she has a more personal reason for wanting continued rapid police response times. Years ago, she was instrumental in securing the conviction of a man who robbed several pharmacies. He was sentenced to 10 years. But he recently got out after five years and Bartol knows that he knows where she lives, and she doesn't mind saying she's worried.

Too many call transfers

Based on three recent experiences she had with WCC, it take some effort to convince her that the change is for the better.

One was a nonemergency call to Brookfield police in which her call was given to the wrong city three times, Bartol said.

Another time, while driving, she called to report seeing an impaired driver. She spotted him in Milwaukee but then he entered Greenfield, so she was transferred to Greenfield, then to West Allis as they drove into that city and finally to New Berlin, which caught the driver.

In another incident while she was driving, she called police after seeing a 3-year-old child hanging out a car window. Her 911 call was transferred to two different police departments and finally to the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Department.

The fact that she was on the move in her own car was a factor in some of the call transfers.

"She brings up good points," Rieder said, acknowledging such transferring does happen.

But if she had been in Waukesha County and all the communities on her route had been with WCC, there would have been no need for transfers and the WCC dispatchers would have known which squads were in a position to stop the offending cars. All that information would be in one place, he said.

While New Berlin is exploring joining WCC, Muskego is trying hard to get out of it. Muskego police say they can handle the 911 cell calls, the only ones WCC answers for them, themselves. Muskego doesn't want callers to have to talk to the WCC dispatcher and the Muskego dispatcher when one will do.

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  1. Why is Jeanne Bartol being interviewed on issues that have nothing to do with her? I appreciate her help in raising money for the AEDs in the squad cars but this issue is far beyond her scope or knowledge at the Police Dept. There wasn't a legitimate police officer, especially a veteran officer who could comment on the story to give me a perspective of why the officers think we should, or shouldn't, retain our dispatchers? I think it is a little absurd that Jeanne Bartol has any sort of authority in the city where she isn't even a technical employee or elected official. I want to hear what the actual people in power have to say on this very serious issue. I don't care about the opinion of someone that has no more sense on the issue than me, an average citizen.
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  2. Who is this Jeanne Bartol and why is she relevant to this story? I agree with NBs Youthful Sense, lets hear from the people who actually use and rely on the dispatch center every day, police and fire personell.
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  3. See what the consultant comes up with in terms of service feedback. City of Brookfield is part of county wide dispatch and we have not been impressed. The dispatchers, who are located in Waukesha, are unfamiliar with the geography of the rest of the county. We've been told to hang on the line and follow impaired drivers until they figure out where Capitol Drive and Calhoun Road is. They don't know which police or fire station to call until they figure out "where you are," which seems to take forever. The response when calling the city police directly was much, much better in our opinion. We've given up calling for any problem we see on the road, i.e. accident, impaired driver, breakdown, and would only call 911 for a house fire or incident at our home requiring police.
  4. Having local dispatchers is better for the citizens of New Berlin. As WG stated, the dispatchers for the county are unfamiliar with the geography of the rest of the county. Local dispatchers are familiar with their city as well as the citizens themselves, which could save valuable seconds in an emergency situation. Think about it, if you had an emergency and needed police, fire, or an ambulance response who would you want answering the phone? A call taker who then had to transfer the call to a dispatcher who was unfamiliar with your city
  5. Having local dispatchers is better for the citizens of New Berlin. As WG stated, the dispatchers for the county are unfamiliar with the geography of the rest of the county. Local dispatchers are familiar with their city as well as the citizens themselves, which could save valuable seconds in an emergency situation. Think about it, if you had an emergency and needed police, fire, or an ambulance response who would you want answering the phone? A call taker who then had to transfer the call to a dispatcher who was unfamiliar with your city
  6. Having local dispatchers is better for the citizens of New Berlin. As WG stated, the dispatchers for the county are unfamiliar with the geography of the rest of the county. Local dispatchers are familiar with their city as well as the citizens themselves, which could save valuable seconds in an emergency situation. Think about it, if you had an emergency and needed police, fire, or an ambulance response who would you want answering the phone? A call taker who then had to transfer the call to a dispatcher who was unfamiliar with your city or a local dispatcher who could get the necessary equipment enroute while they are taking the information? I would definitely feel safer with a local dispatch center. If you feel
    the same, speak up now before it's too late.! Call your Alderman or the Mayor and let them know how you feel about this issue.
    al Alderman, the Mayor
  7. Questions-
    When will it be said out loud that the “savings” are strictly in the common counsel budget and there will be no realized savings to the taxpayers? Last time I checked, citizens of NB pay Waukesha Co taxes. Shouldn't safety of the Citizen’s of NB be #1? I’m also curious what the ‘disadvantages’ are to having an individualized dispatch center.
    “Disadvantage”? You decide:
    1.WCCC who is responsible for emergency calls from 40 different jurisdictions which includes 185,000 people. That call-taker may have never stepped foot in NB. Good luck describing a landmark if you don’t know where you are. Hope you know the address.
    OR
    2.One of the 11 NBPD Dispatchers, who has a combined 199 years of service in the City of New Berlin (population roughly 39,000), who answers your emergency call and is able to determine where you are simply by describing surrounding landmarks if you don’t know the address? If you can’t remember the new name of an old landmark or school where you need help,the NBPD Dispatchers do. Are you at the old Cleveland Heights School? The Irish Spring House? “That auction place”? The NBPD dispatchers KNOW where you are and will send you help.
    Maybe the “disadvantage” is in the process when you call for help?
    1.Having your Emergency call answered 1)by a WCCC call taker in Waukesha who enters your Emergency into the computer, 2)determines what city you are in, 3) send the computer entry to a Dispatcher (in Waukesha) who then 4)reads the call and 5)sends help.
    OR
    2. Having your Emergency call answered 1)by a NB Dispatcher who can immediately send help while on the phone with you while entering the call into the computer.
    What equipment needs to be replaced that is going to cost upwards of $500,000?
    1.The one year old computer system?
    2. The three year old monitors?
    3.The five year old phone system?
    What IS the city going to do with the nearly $1 million CAD system that was implemented Oct 2010? Maybe they can sell it on EBAY.
  8. They did not call Jeanne for an interview, she contacted the NOW to let the public in NB hear what happens if WCC will take over vs, having our own dispatchers.
    She is devoted to this city's PD, FD and to it's safety. There were 4-911 calls made within 6 mos not 3.Here is the 4th, She had to call 911, due to a driver from running a red light and almost broadsiding her, who then pulled to the side of the road , sat there, then pulled out into traffic almost side swiping another car. This happened at 116th and Watertown Pk Rd.Jeanne was traveling west on Watertown Pk. Jeanne, in Tosa at that time was dispatched to Tosa, when the driver turned north on 124th street "barely" making the turn, then tranferred to another dispatch center and they asked if she was following the driver,she said "NO I am headed home" this is your job not mine. Approximate time of that call was 10 min.
    Jeanne Bartol worked as a volunteer as NBPD's Fundraising Chair(2007-2010) / Auxiliary Officer (2009) on her own time, for 3 yrs bringing in almost $90,000 in 18 mos during the worst economy ever. Medical equipment ( AED's for every squad, 4 for the Admin bldg and one for the Tactical Swat Van. Plus life saving devices for the K-9 unit (Hot Dog monitors) a medical kit for the K-9s,over $16,000 for the SWAT Team and Doctor in medical equipment, 2 Swat Scopes, Fire investigation equipment, and 3 yrs of fundraising a minimun per year x 3yrs of $6,000-$8,000 of product for the DARE program and Golf fundraiser outings. She became the first volunteer ever to be put in uniform, was given the Life Saving Pin of Honor by the NBFD ,Citation of Merit by the NBPD and and award on Patriotic Citizen's Day VFW Post 5716. READ "I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS" response they are 100% accurate!!!
    1 yr old computer system, 3 yr old monitors,5 yr old phone system, and 1 mil $ CAD system put in in 2010?? There is no emotion in this issue, simply saving lives vs money if there was why does Muskego want out?
  9. PS It makes no difference where you make that 9-11 call from, if you are leaving Waukesha county while traveling reporting something and go through any other cities the same thing will happen, you will be tranferred just like she was to each city you travel through. Keep our NBPD Dispatchers!! I believe "I"VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS" has it right to a tee...and must know the dept very well to know all that they know! Just like Jeanne does and having experienced it as well. We have a great Dept...we don't want to loose it!
  10. The lack of public comment on this board is mindboggling. People of New Berlin must not care much about their emergency services.
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    • I totally agree, I gave the story to the paper so NEW BERLIN citizens would understand what is going on before they do it, and try to stop it as I believe it will hurt this community. What would happen had this not appeared is a meeting to the general public would have been done with the city council and not published alot...that's how they get their way. No one ever knows what is coming up.
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